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Topic: CM/research - warning/waiver?
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Taylor
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posted 02-26-2008 11:22 AM
  
One of my LE agencies wants to have a document to give to the applicants (at the time they schedule the poly) warning them not to research and/or attempt to manipulate the poly. I have had a lot of CM attempts and the Chief will immediately disqualify the individuals if there is ANY suspicion of manipulation on the poly or any other testing procedure. Do any of you currently have some type of document like this that you use?
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Barry C
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posted 02-26-2008 11:24 AM
Might that invite some to get suspicious and look anyway?[This message has been edited by Barry C (edited 02-26-2008).] IP: Logged |
sackett
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posted 02-26-2008 11:30 AM
Donna,is that really necessary? It would be like that chief having applicants sign a letter before the POST qualifying test, urinalysis, etc that if they bring any materials into the testing room to assist them, they will be disqualified... Seems unnecessary to me. Cheating IS cheating! As long as you can articulate it in your report and back it up in your charts. Jim IP: Logged |
skipwebb
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posted 02-26-2008 12:41 PM
Donna, I have to agree with Jim on this one (imagine even saying that! Weird)I seems to me that even if one read an article in a reputable journal or an item in the newspaper, it might cause one to have problems on the test in that one "researched polygraph" after signing such a document. Attempting to defeat any test that the agency requires would seem to me to be cheating. Whether one drinks vinegar to attempt to defeat the drug test or puts notes up their sleeve to defeat a written examination or creates reactions on a polygraph, cheating is cheating. The argument of the anti bunch just doesn't hold water. Do they recommend their readers to use the urine cleansing techniques on the internet even though they haven't used any drug because they are concerned about the possibility of a false positive?
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Taylor
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posted 02-26-2008 03:56 PM
I agree. When the chief asked if I had such a form I told them no. They are frustrated with the amount of individuals that are attempting CMs - and per GM - don't admit after. They asked if I could put something together for them. No matter how I tried - it wasn't working for the same reasons you guys are listing. I wondered if anyone else had such a form as I could not put anything together that didn't alert them to 'research' the polygraphs. I will notify the Chief of the concerns expressed. Thanks for everyones input. IP: Logged |
rnelson
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posted 02-26-2008 05:37 PM
Why not give them Jack's statement of advice from the public forum.r ------------------
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room."
--(Stanley Kubrick/Peter Sellers - Dr. Strangelove, 1964)
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J.B. McCloughan
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posted 02-27-2008 12:23 AM
Donna,I do a verbal contract with the examinee regarding their cooperation with my instructions. I borrowed this from Lynn Marcy. If the P.D. has a question regarding this, I would be happy to discuss it with whomever. IP: Logged |
Ted Todd
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posted 02-27-2008 01:06 AM
I have the LBTLD sitting in plain view on my desk. Works Great!Ted IP: Logged |
liedoctor
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posted 02-27-2008 08:00 AM
This reminds me of a recruiting trip I went on a couple of years ago to a major university when a well meaning fairly senior government official implored a room full of graduate students to NOT research the polygraph before their pre-employment polygraph examinations....The students looked at each other incredulously at first, then the smiles began. I bet the internet terminals in the university library were smokin' that night. Moral of the story. NEVER tell somebody what NOT to do; absolutely ridiculous. Instead, I would explain that there is a great amount of material on the internet about a great many things, to include polygraph. Among this material are websites run by disgruntled self professed 'experts" who are giving people some VERY bad advice. I then tell examinees when they get into the room that I know exactly what deliberate attempts to distort polygraph charts look like, and if I catch anything that even looks like an attempt to manipulate the test, the examination (and their potential job) is finished...period. Anyway, my two cents...
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Taylor
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posted 02-27-2008 09:48 AM
I always start off my examinations with that same verbage. It was the Chief that wanted something. Thanks again.IP: Logged |
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